Hello, there has been an individual on here that has been coining harmful/unhelpful terms to the intersex community and co-opting intersex language in redefining this term. I want the moderators of the website to be aware that the terms "enab" and "inabir" as well as "somayr" are all attempts to redefine or undermine language used in talking about intersex issues. Essentially they are attempting to position Altersex as a more acceptable version of "transintersex", which it is not. Altersex dysphoria is not any more "somatic" than any other sort of gender dysphoria. The terms "enab" and "inabir" mean 'endosex at birth' and 'intersex at birth', which were coined in order to imply a person can change their status from endosex or intersex to "a different sex", in this case, that means altersex. This is misguided at best and purposeful disinformation at worse. This individual has been doing this on numerous wiki sites. - Revision as of 15:13, 26 June 2024 by Intersexcowboy
- The terms enab and inabir weren't on the page when you edited. And thanks for removing that misinformation. — Yunan 💬 17:59, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hello! This is Miroymon. I am appalled by these accusations against me and my altersex community. I do not and will never co opt, steal, or change intersex language. That language is not for me, and I have actively put down pressure in making sure that people do not steal it. Which is why I have made new terms to describe our identity as far away from intersex identities as possible. There was an issue, which resulted in me coining these terms specifically to help communicate that altersex people cannot fit into dyadic or intersex alone, but instead would be an individual sex category above. a "layer" if you will. This layer, categorized by being an "additional label," would make it so that ANYONE could be altersex, not just dyadic people. The current definition was restrictive and it hurt intersex people who were also altersex because they didn't feel like they belong. The language I am trying to create will not only recognize plurals and alterhumans, but altersex people without surgery or HRT. I am, by all means, trying to accomplish something of building a community for altersex people - and that means removing ourselves from intersex spaces and terminology. ENAB and INABIR were coined specifically so that if an intersex or endosex people feels more comfortable as altersex, they can be recognized as such. This includes transsex people going from the term female to male socially, physically, medically, etc. It is being misconstrued by many parties to mean anything different and is supposed to help transsex individuals. I would like to see instances where my terminology has been used against intersex people, that way I know that there has been a legitimate problem that I need to call out (here and on other platforms) so I can shut down intersexism.
- somayr has nothing to do with intersex people, enab and inabir have nothing to do with intersex terminology and I do not make terms for intersex people because I am not intersex and that would be overstepping their boundaries. This is the only site (miraheze) I've been on in order to, by the altersex community's permission, redefine our language that we already Do Not Have. I recently did a survey that proved that multiple people experienced somayr, that people wanted to be called altersex, and that altersex is not a gender identity. It is bigotry against trans people and other queer identities to suggest that our community is even remotely bothering intersex communities. For the past few days, an entire server has been harassing my accounts and me for making terminology for altersex people. I genuinely am just trying to explain that identity is mental and can affect the body if somatization is involved, which is an experience that multiple altersex people and alt-intersex people in my circles experience. Erasing that is intersexism, erasing that is exorsexism, erasing that is ableism. There are studies on how somatization and somatic experiences affect the body and can create negative experiences. Dysphoria can become physical the moment you experience anxiety and depression over it, because anxiety and depression are somatizations. Altersex is not "all in your head" or a gender identity, that's just ableism and sexism. Please do not attempt to squash alt-intersex people when they are apart of altersex communities. - Revision as of 04:41, 27 June 2024 by Miroymon
- I personally don't have a problem with terms like enab, unless someone can clarify why it is problematic. But from a glance it seems okay. However I do have a problem with the term somayr for multiple reasons.
- 1. It's a name from the Quran. Nothing wrong with the Quran it's just like... any other non-religious name could have been used lol. The fact that this was chosen as the name seems to imply that the creator didn't do even just 5 seconds of research. It's literally the first google result when you search the name.
- 2. From what I can tell, the somatization affect from altersex thoughts has not been medically studied or documented, and thus shouldn't be added to the wiki. A poll on "somayr" experiences doesn't count as sufficient evidence, as somatic experiences can be caused by MANY other things, including unhealthy medical conditions. By saying that the mere mindset of wanting to be altersex can affect one's hormones, it is encouraging people not to seek medical assistance. Sudden hormonal imbalances are a symptom that something is wrong with the body, including thyroid imbalances, diabetes, adrenal and gland disorders, etc. There is however a lot of evidence to suggest that stress caused by harassment (transphobic and altersexphobia in this case) can lead to somatic symptoms and bodily disturbances - but this is something that should be addressed by a medical professional, not the online Tumblr community. Jeb_CC, Bureaucrat | (xe/xem/xir) (talk) 22:53, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- I will definitely do my research next time. I was in a rush of trying to explain my and many other's experiences related to somatization - and the sudden harassment subsequent of coining it proved that it was unfit. I apologize, and will definitely be reworking the terminology. When I am actively stable enough, I will be looking into making research about altersex somatization possible. I'm not doing this for me, I'm doing this for so many other people who need language like this to describe themselves and from the community I have founded - it seems like they need a connection as well. Thank you, have a blessed day. - Revision as of 10:38, 27 June 2024 by Miroymon
- Thanks Miroymon. I of course would welcome any new good-faith terminology, but when it comes to terms that relate to one's medical health I would very much like to see some kind of peer-reviewed study to accompany it. Jeb_CC, Bureaucrat | (xe/xem/xir) (talk) 00:49, 27 June 2024 (UTC)