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"Altersex is also defined as any of the sexes (not individuals themselves) that are neither intersex nor perisex" this is incorrect, as everyone is born intersex or perisex. Perisex does not refer to a specific type of body, as people can change their bodies later in life. Perisex means you were not born intersex. It is intersexist to attempt to interject a third category into these terms, as it makes it more difficult for us to differentiate our issues and spaces from perisex trans issues. - Intersexcowboy

Thanks for the review, intersexcowboy. That secondary definition is a common variant, as per https://pride-color-schemes.tumblr.com/post/161266440525/altersex. "Altersex can also refer to -possible- sexes that are neither perisex nor intersex, in the cases of those who go through HRT or sexual reassignment surgery of some sort, since those people definitely shouldn’t use intersex.". From what I understand about perisex/intersex, this coining seems to forget the fact that perisex/intersex is FROM BIRTH, and that one cannot BECOME perisex/intersex. However, I believe the idea is that this definition is more inclusive of fictional characters who CAN actually be born as altersex cause... it's fiction. And altersex as a fictional use has always been the primary focus, even from the original coining: "including characters that did not transition to having their specified anatomy due to always having been altersex.". So although this secondary definition doesn't seem to understand perisex/intersex well, it's still a popular definition and part of the altersex history. If it helps, I can add something in the page to explain the controversy of this second definition - but I'd need an external source to back it up. Jeb_CC, Bureaucrat | (xe/xem/xir) (talk) 03:11, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

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+"Altersex is also defined as any of the sexes (not individuals themselves) that are neither intersex nor perisex" this is incorrect, as everyone is born intersex or perisex. Perisex does not refer to a specific type of body, as people can change their bodies later in life. Perisex means you were not born intersex. It is intersexist to attempt to interject a third category into these terms, as it makes it more difficult for us to differentiate our issues and spaces from perisex trans issues. - Intersexcowboy
-Hello, there has been an individual on here that has been coining harmful/unhelpful terms to the intersex community and co-opting intersex language in redefining this term. I want the moderators of the website to be aware that the terms "enab" and "inabir" as well as "somayr" are all attempts to redefine or undermine language used in talking about intersex issues. Essentially they are attempting to position Altersex as a more acceptable version of "transintersex", which it is not. Altersex dysphoria is not any more "somatic" than any other sort of gender dysphoria. The terms "enab" and "inabir" mean 'endosex at birth' and 'intersex at birth', which were coined in order to imply a person can change their status from endosex or intersex to "a different sex", in this case, that means altersex. This is misguided at best and purposeful disinformation at worse. This individual has been doing this on numerous wiki sites.
+:Thanks for the review, intersexcowboy. That secondary definition is a common variant, as per https://pride-color-schemes.tumblr.com/post/161266440525/altersex. ''"Altersex can also refer to -possible- sexes that are neither perisex nor intersex, in the cases of those who go through HRT or sexual reassignment surgery of some sort, since those people definitely shouldn’t use intersex."''. From what I understand about perisex/intersex, this coining seems to forget the fact that perisex/intersex is FROM BIRTH, and that one cannot BECOME perisex/intersex. However, I believe the idea is that this definition is more inclusive of fictional characters who CAN actually be born as altersex cause... it's fiction. And altersex as a fictional use has always been the primary focus, even from the original coining: ''"including characters that did not transition to having their specified anatomy due to always having been altersex."''. So although this secondary definition doesn't seem to understand perisex/intersex well, it's still a popular definition and part of the altersex history. If it helps, I can add something in the page to explain the controversy of this second definition - but I'd need an external source to back it up. [[User:Jeb CC|Jeb_CC, Bureaucrat &#124; (xe/xem/xir)]] ([[User talk:Jeb CC|talk]]) 03:11, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
-Hello! This is Miroymon. I am appalled by these accusations against me and my altersex community. I do not and will never co opt, steal, or change intersex language. That language is not for me, and I have actively put down pressure in making sure that people do not steal it. Which is why I have made new terms to describe our identity as far away from intersex identities as possible. There was an issue, which resulted in me coining these terms specifically to help communicate that altersex people cannot fit into dyadic or intersex alone, but instead would be an individual sex category above. a "layer" if you will. This layer, categorized by being an "additional label," would make it so that ANYONE could be altersex, not just dyadic people. The current definition was restrictive and it hurt intersex people who were also altersex because they didn't feel like they belong. The language I am trying to create will not only recognize plurals and alterhumans, but altersex people without surgery or HRT. I am, by all means, trying to accomplish something of building a community for altersex people - and that means removing ourselves from intersex spaces and terminology. ENAB and INABIR were coined specifically so that if an intersex or endosex people feels more comfortable as altersex, they can be recognized as such. This includes transsex people going from the term female to male socially, physically, medically, etc. It is being misconstrued by many parties to mean anything different and is supposed to help transsex individuals. I would like to see instances where my terminology has been used against intersex people, that way I know that there has been a legitimate problem that I need to call out (here and on other platforms) so I can shut down intersexism.
-somayr has nothing to do with intersex people, enab and inabir have nothing to do with intersex terminology and I do not make terms for intersex people because I am not intersex and that would be overstepping their boundaries. This is the only site (miraheze) I've been on in order to, by the altersex community's permission, redefine our language that we already Do Not Have. I recently did a survey that proved that multiple people experienced somayr, that people wanted to be called altersex, and that altersex is not a sex identity. It is bigotry against trans people and other queer identities to suggest that our community is even remotely bothering intersex communities. For the past few days, an entire server has been harassing my accounts and me for making terminology for altersex people. I genuinely am just trying to explain that identity is mental and can affect the body if somatization is involved, which is an experience that multiple altersex people and alt-intersex people in my circles experience. Erasing that is intersexism, erasing that is exorsexism, erasing that is ableism. There are studies on how somatization and somatic experiences affect the body and can create negative experiences. Dysphoria can become physical the moment you experience anxiety and depression over it, because anxiety and depression are somatizations. Altersex is not "all in your head" or a gender identity, that's just ableism and sexism. Please do not attempt to squash alt-intersex people when they are apart of altersex communities.